Proposed October Events

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29 Jun 2006 20:47 #2110 by
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Boschert wrote:

kchunks wrote:

Wow Tim. You'd need a pretty big saucer to get enough aerobrake launching bowling balls. But, I know that you're up to the challenge :P


Hey tea cup and saucer flyboy.Are you getting wind of the proposed world order of rocketry changes? Sounds like the NFPA 1127 rules just might require \" a system to safely land and not cause widespread panic/harm (sic)\". Aerobrake implies brick in my flight log. That Appleblanco guy never did come up with the descent rate for inverted lamp shades did he?

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My concern is section 4.10.1 Where the text has been changed from:

\"A high power rocket shall be launched only if it contains a recovery
system that returns all parts of the rocket to the ground intact so it can
be launched again.\"

To:

\" A high power rocket shall be launched only if it contains a recovery
system that is designed to return all the parts of the rocket to the
ground intact at a landing speed at which the rocket does not present a hazard.\"

One can read alot into all this and still end up flying / recovering bowling balls.

Tim
the destroyer (middle-weight western division)


I know that he has descent rates on a lot of his stuff. My favorite was/is (I quit following it) trying to change make launches safer (think April 05) by making people certify using an active recovery device. That makes me laugh because I have a suspition that 100% of those accidents were from rockets of people who certified with active recovery devices (meaning not aerobrake). But, like you said, one can read a lot into that statement. What does one define as a hazard? It would take very little for a rocket weighing 10 lbs or more to to become a hazard. It would take a LOT for the 54mm and 38mm saucers to become a hazard.

Can we set up 10 pins on the salt for the spot landing competition and take into account how many are knowcked over as part of the score?:side:

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28 Jun 2006 22:48 #2107 by nealbaker
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The contest can be called \"Breakfast of Champions\"

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28 Jun 2006 22:10 #2106 by Boschert
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Way cool (No Hot)
Note to self
\"must design hot sauce rocket and salsa rocket to go with iron skillet spool rocket\"

jimyehle wrote:

I can see it now. Frank Whitby, announcing over the P.A. system: \"Spiral Eggy is missing! Has anybody seen Spiral Eggy?\" At that moment, foam fried eggs begin to rain down on the spectators, as a chute blossoms over a 15-foot cast-iron skillet up in the sky. Tim Boschert, with that grin everybody knows: \"Why is everybody looking at me?\"

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28 Jun 2006 16:19 #2105 by jimyehle
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I can see it now. Frank Whitby, announcing over the P.A. system: \"Spiral Eggy is missing! Has anybody seen Spiral Eggy?\" At that moment, foam fried eggs begin to rain down on the spectators, as a chute blossoms over a 15-foot cast-iron skillet up in the sky. Tim Boschert, with that grin everybody knows: \"Why is everybody looking at me?\"

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27 Jun 2006 18:16 #2103 by Boschert
Boschert replied the topic: Re:Proposed October Events
UROC needs to come up with something really cool yet stupid/dangerous to contest launch.
Bowling balls are passé and fire plugs have been done (not readily available for rockerty).

How about something like a tire (similar to spool for modeling ~ and rubberized safe for human contact when dropped from 10K). C'mon really guys, lets launch something really stupid like ~ the living room couch! Cushons pop out to reveal 32' chute. Start thinking and discuss.

Tim
run away<br><br>Post edited by: Boschert, at: 2006/06/27 20:16

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27 Jun 2006 18:10 #2102 by Boschert
Boschert replied the topic: Re:Proposed October Events
kchunks wrote:

Wow Tim. You'd need a pretty big saucer to get enough aerobrake launching bowling balls. But, I know that you're up to the challenge :P


Hey tea cup and saucer flyboy.Are you getting wind of the proposed world order of rocketry changes? Sounds like the NFPA 1127 rules just might require \" a system to safely land and not cause widespread panic/harm (sic)\". Aerobrake implies brick in my flight log. That Appleblanco guy never did come up with the descent rate for inverted lamp shades did he?

sniped from TRA listserv
My concern is section 4.10.1 Where the text has been changed from:

\"A high power rocket shall be launched only if it contains a recovery
system that returns all parts of the rocket to the ground intact so it can
be launched again.\"

To:

\" A high power rocket shall be launched only if it contains a recovery
system that is designed to return all the parts of the rocket to the
ground intact at a landing speed at which the rocket does not present a hazard.\"

One can read alot into all this and still end up flying / recovering bowling balls.

Tim
the destroyer (middle-weight western division)

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27 Jun 2006 16:03 #2100 by
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Wow Tim. You'd need a pretty big saucer to get enough aerobrake launching bowling balls. But, I know that you're up to the challenge :P

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26 Jun 2006 21:21 #2093 by Boschert
Boschert replied the topic: Re:Proposed October Events
Hey how about a bowling ball loft, even LDRS is doing dual 8 lbs. bowling ball loft this year.

Opps forgot NAR not TRA. O'well try clustering a bunch of \"D\"'s and see who can \"loft\" a ball highest up the rail. he he he.

Tim

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26 Jun 2006 20:11 #2092 by BruceBell
BruceBell replied the topic: Re:Proposed October Events
Hi James,

First, let me briefly explain Rocket Glider. Everything that boosts up must come back GLIDING in one piece (ie: no separation).

Second, Boost-Glider is ALLOWED to separate to allow the \"motor section\" to come back separate from the \"glider\" section. Then, only the glider is timed. The motor section CAN be simply the motor with a streamer attached (like the Edmonds Cici). Or, it can be a \"pod\" that holds the motor and pops off the glider like a \"Quest Flat Kat\" or \"Estes Eagle\". Or you can attach a small glider to the side of a large rocket like we did for \"F\" engine boost-glider last year. Earlier I mentioned that Boost-Glider is ALLOWED to separate, it doesn't have to. You can use a Rocket-Glider in Boost Glider events, but NOT the reverse.

Hope this helps more than confuses. B)

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26 Jun 2006 19:24 #2091 by
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So if I understand the Pink Book correctley then Boost Glider needs to have a Rocket with a glider that seperates from the rocket??? And the Rocket Glider is just a glider with a motor and no seperation???

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